Judges Study - 2026-09-02

Judges Study - 2026-09-02

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An ongoing study of the book of Judges. This week’s lesson is presented by Danny Meuleners.

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Welcome to the Lansdale Life Church podcast.

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If you're seeking a closer relationship with Jesus Christ, this podcast is for you.

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Thank you for joining us today.

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We're going to be in Judges 4 tonight, continuing our study in Judges.

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Oh, got a few more people on the way.

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You guys can turn to Judges 4 while you're at it.

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If you brought a Bible, if you're into showing off your spirituality,

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you can turn to Judges 3 tonight.

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All right, so last week we looked at Judges 3.

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Man, you have the pleasure of having me two weeks in a row,

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and you'll get Jamie at the end of the month.

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He had to switch.

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He had a big something this week that he, or last week, that he needed somebody to switch out for him.

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So you got me this week, and we're going to be looking at Judges 4.

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Last week, we looked at Judges 3.

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And if you guys were here, or if you know Judges 3,

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it's really centered around three of the judges of Israel,

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Othniel, Ehud, and Shamgar.

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And we talked a little bit about the sin cycle

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and how Israel would just get in this perpetual cycle of

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being in covenant relationship with the Lord.

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And then they would draw away from the Lord.

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They would begin to worship idols and mix with the people of the land.

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And then they would become enslaved by the people of the land

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and oppressed by the people of the land.

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And many times, the text explicitly says that the Lord sold them into the hand of the local people,

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the local kingdoms surrounding Israel.

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And this was on purpose because the Lord is wanting to draw them back to his heart.

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And then what we see is the people of Israel cry out to God

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once the oppression becomes too strong.

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And then the Lord raises up a deliverer or a judge,

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or we could say a savior to come and save the people of Israel

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and deliver them from their bondage and their oppression, their oppressor.

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And then that restores the covenant equilibrium with the Lord and Israel

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because Israel had made an agreement with the Lord to walk in his ways and to be faithful only to him.

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And so what we see is the Lord is continually covenant, faithful covenant.

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He is continually faithful to his covenant.

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But what we see is the people of Israel are continually breaking that covenant.

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And in the end, the Lord will send the ultimate savior, the ultimate judge,

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the ultimate apostle, Redeemer, who is Jesus Christ, to ultimately save us

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and bring us into eternal life and the new heavens and the new earth with the Lord.

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And these stories point to that, as Luke 24 tells us, that all the prophets and the law point to Christ.

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So here again, in chapter four, we find ourselves in a similar place,

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in a similar setting as chapter three.

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And we're going to dive in and I just want to pray quick and then we'll start reading.

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So Lord, we thank you for this time.

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Thank you for everybody who was able to make it.

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And Lord, we pray that you would just teach us about your word, teach us about you,

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teach us how to live in covenant relationship, in covenant faithfulness with you today, Lord.

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And we thank you that you are always the one who reaches back to us, who prods us,

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who pursues us and redeems us, Lord, when we stray and when we are

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not completely faithful to the covenant.

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So we thank you, Lord, in Jesus' name, amen.

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So verse one, by the way, one note just on the sin cycles came up in the discussion

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last week, afterwards.

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But I'm calling it the sin cycle because that's what the cycle of judges is commonly known as.

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You don't have to call it that and not my intention to emphasize the sin part of it,

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but that's just what it's commonly known as.

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So if you're like, why is he keep referring to it that way?

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It's just sort of the name that's commonly known as.

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So verse one, and the people of Israel, again, did what was evil in the sight of the Lord.

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And we see, if you look one verse up, Shamgar saved Israel.

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So we have a period where they had a savior deliver.

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And then now they're repeating it again.

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That's why it's called a cycle.

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And the people of Israel, again, did what was evil in the sight of the Lord

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after Ehud died.

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And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin, king of Cana, who reigned in Hazor.

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The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harishath, Hagoyim.

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Then the people of Israel cried out to the Lord for help, for he had 900 chariots of iron,

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and he oppressed the people of Israel cruelly for 20 years.

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Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

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She used to sit under the palm of Deborah between Rama and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim.

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And the people of Israel would come up to her for judgment.

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So what we see here is in verse 3, the people of Israel are crying out to the Lord.

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So that's the key part in this cycle of judges, where the Israelites are being sold into the hand

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of an oppressor, a local oppressor, and they're being oppressed cruelly.

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The Lord is actually sovereign in this whole process.

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And he's waiting for the moment where they will realize that the Lord is the only one who can

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get them out of this situation.

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And I touched on this a little bit last week, but the idea that crying out to the Lord

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and groaning to the Lord, so many times our first knee-jerk reaction isn't to go to the Lord.

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And I think it doesn't exactly say when the Israelites decided to cry out to the Lord

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within these 20 years, but you've got to think that if we look at Scripture,

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a lot of times the people of Israel spend a long time being oppressed,

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and then they cry out to the Lord, and then the Lord is fairly quick to answer them.

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We see that in Exodus, where the people of Israel are oppressed, and I think it's Exodus,

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the end of Exodus chapter 2, they cry out, they groan out to the Lord because they're slaves,

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and then the Lord raises up Moses, a deliverer for them.

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But what is, and this is one of our questions for discussion, but what is the role of prayer

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in calling a nation or turning a nation back to the Lord?

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And prayer is one of the most important things we can do in order to ask the Lord

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if He would move in our midst and move amongst our family and move amongst our nation

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and draw us back to the Lord. And we just see this, it just struck me again as I was studying

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for tonight, that we see this again and again in Judges and throughout the whole Bible that

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the Lord desires us to come to Him in prayer, and He desires us to come to Him and cry out to Him,

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because prayer really is just such a peculiar device. It's a place where you don't do

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anything yourself. You're quiet, you're still, maybe you're on your knees, you're alone,

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maybe you're with a group of people, but you're just asking the Lord to do things.

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And for whatever reason, I guess it's in the Lord's nature that this is the way that He

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desires to commune with us, and also this is one way that He desires sovereignly to work

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good on the earth. It's very weird. You can get into, you know, you can go down

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that rabbit hole, and you can go down the whole predestination free will. You can get three or

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four PhDs doing that in philosophy, discussing all of it. But what we see in Scripture is clear.

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If we just take it from what we see, when people pray, when people devote themselves to the Lord,

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the Lord answers, and He is kind and He is good to answer. There was a prayer movement. Have you

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in Germany, and he was a wealthy man, came from a wealthy family, and

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he had a series of encounters, and one of the encounters went something like,

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he was speaking with a man, and the man asked him, what are you going to do for the Lord?

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And this set him on a series of journeys, and it was a long, long life story. But what he

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basically like a prayer center called Herrnhut in Germany, and you can still go there,

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and it was a time where they basically had a hundred year prayer meeting day and night

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for a hundred years. And out of this prayer movement, they began to pray for the world

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to be reached for the gospel. And out of this prayer movement, they basically were able to almost,

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I think, it wasn't exactly just the Moravians, but through the Moravians and through their

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successors, they were basically able to send missionaries to every country on the earth.

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This, the Moravian movement birthed sort of the student volunteer movement, and I think

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they overlapped a little bit, but through that, they were able to send missionaries

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to every country on earth. And it was quite amazing. And it was just one guy with a community

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of people crying out to the Lord and asking the Lord to do things. And so many times

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in scripture, and I think, yeah, it's just a good reminder for us of the importance of prayer,

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putting prayer at the center of our lives personally, speaking to myself as well,

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but also within community, it's so important to engender this. And it's not easy. Prayer is not

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everybody's natural spiritual gift, right? Prayer can sometimes be boring and it can be dry,

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but we see clearly in scripture that it is one of the ways, mysteriously, that the Lord uses

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to rot his purposes on earth. So anyhow, we see that in verse 3, that again, they cry out,

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they oppressed people of Israel, they were crying out to the Lord for help.

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Moving on to verse 4, now Deborah, a prophetess of the wife of Lapid Doth,

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was judging Israel at the time and she used to sit under the palm tree. And so at this time,

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Israel had judges and they weren't just hearing cases and deciding on cases. It was a function

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of government as well. And so Deborah was basically exercising governance over Israel

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at this time and she used to sit up on a hill underneath a palm tree and the imagery here

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in the ancient near east would have been that a palm tree is a symbol of strength and of

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straightness and therefore righteousness, that she is sitting underneath this kind of cathedral

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of righteousness. And so she is there exercising her authority. Verse 6,

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she sent and summoned Barak, the son of Abinoam from Kadesh Naftali, and said to him,

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has not the Lord of the God of Israel commanded you? Go gather your men at Mount Tabor,

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taking ten thousand from the people of Naftali and the people of Zebulun. And I will draw out

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Sisera, the general of Jabin's army, to meet you by the river Kishon with his chariots and his troops

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and I will give him into your hand. Now from here, I'm just going to read through the rest

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and then kind of jump back. But I think it's important just to get the whole story

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in one shot. So buckle up for a few minutes here. So Deborah says to Barak, go gather your men

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and then the Lord God is saying, go gather your men at Mount Tabor, taking ten thousand from the

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people of Naftali and the people of Zebulun. And I will draw out Sisera, the general of

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Jabin's army, to meet you by the river Kishon with his chariots and his troops and I will

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give him into your hand. Barak said to her, if you will go with me, I will go. But if you will

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not go with me, I will not go. And she said, I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road

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on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a

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woman. Then Deborah rose and went with Barak to Kadesh. And Barak called out to Zebulun and

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Naftali to Kadesh. And ten thousand men went up at his heels and Deborah went up with him.

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Now Hebrew, the Kenite, had separated from the Kenites the descendants of Hobab, the father-in-law

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of Moses, and had pitched his tent as far away as the oak in Zenninim, which is near Kadesh.

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When Sisera was told that Barak, the son of Abinoam, had gone up to Mount Tabor,

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Sisera called out all his chariots, nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the men who were with

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him, from Harishath, Hagayim, to the river Kishon. And Deborah said to Barak,

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Up, for this is the day in which the Lord has given Sisera into your hand. Does not the

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Lord go out before you? So Barak went down from Mount Tabor with ten thousand men following him.

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And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army before Barak by the edge of the

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sword. And Sisera got down from his chariot and fled away on foot. And Barak pursued the chariots

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and the army to Harishath, Hagayim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword.

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Not a man was left. But Sisera fled away on foot to the tent of Jael, the wife of

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Heber the Kenite. For there was peace between Jabin, the king of Hazor, and the house of Heber

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the Kenite. And Jael came out from the tent to meet Sisera and said to him, Turn aside, my Lord.

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Turn aside to me. Do not be afraid. So he turned aside to her into the tent and she covered him

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with a rug. And he said to her, Please, give me a little water to drink, for I am thirsty.

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So she opened the skin of milk and gave him a drink and covered him. And he said to her,

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Stand at the opening of the tent. And if any man comes and asks you, is anyone here, say no.

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But Jael, the wife of Heber, took a tent peg and took a hammer in her hand and she went softly to

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him and drove the peg into his temple until it went into the ground while he was lying

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fast asleep from weariness. So he died. And behold, as Barak was pursuing Sisera,

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Jael went out to meet him and said to him, Come, and I will show you the man whom

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you are seeking. So he went into her tent and there lay Sisera dead with the tent

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peg in his temple. So on that day, God subdued Jabin, the king of Canaan,

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before the people of Israel. And the hand of the people of Israel pressed harder and harder

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against Jabin, the king of Canaan, until they destroyed Jabin, king of Canaan.

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And then just real quick, we're basically done with the chapter, but there's a

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song that they sing in chapter five. And then at the end of the song, in verse 31,

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it says, So may all your enemies perish, O Lord, but your friends be like the sun

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as he rises in his might. And then the last piece here, which is, I think, good for our benefit

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that we just tacked this on. And the land had rest for 40 years. So after this battle,

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the land had rest for 40 years. And then sort of the next chapter of the story of Judges

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continues in chapter six. But we're not going to go through chapter five in detail tonight. So

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we have this interaction with Barak and Deborah. And this interaction is very interesting. And

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you could read this a couple of different ways. And I'm going to give you guys two scenarios.

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And maybe you will think both of them are right, or one of them's right, one of them's wrong.

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But the interaction between Barak and Deborah, Barak, it seems that he is a little bit timid and

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shy, right? And this is kind of the first reading of this and kind of the knee jerk reaction of

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when you read this text is that he loses his reward because he is timid and shy,

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and he doesn't go up to the battle and he has to get called out. Basically, like a mom calling a

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young man out of bed like, hey, get up, go to school, do your job, right? So this is

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a pretty straightforward reading of the text, which could be 100% true. But what I like to do

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sometimes is dig around and see if there are any other ideas or any other thoughts in the text

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that might kind of shed some light, or maybe the contrast of it could peak wonder or maybe

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some tension in us as we're studying it. And this interaction with Barak and Deborah,

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many of the rabbis take a little bit of a more, should we say, nuanced approach to this. Now,

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the thing about the ancient Jewish people and the way that they think

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is that we as Westerners think mainly in a straight line. We have Proposition A, Proposition

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B, Proposition C, and we move in a straight line. The rabbis kind of move in a circle.

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And there's the old joke that wherever you have two rabbis, you always have three opinions.

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And it could also be maybe true of Jewish people as well that generally love to argue

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and love to hash things out. But I just want to submit this to you because it was something that

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I came across that I found was interesting. Some of the rabbis say that Deborah is presumptive or

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actually arrogant in ordering Barak around. And that Barak wants Deborah to actually come because

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she symbolizes the power and the presence of God. Now, this interaction is interesting because

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it makes it read a little bit differently than what you would see originally. Because

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maybe both could also be true. Maybe Barak is a little bit afraid. Maybe he

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is not completely confident. But look at how when he goes to Zebulon and Naftali, how quickly he

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can raise an army of 10,000 men. So he must have some clout militarily. And it might not make sense

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that he's just afraid. How could he be in a position to rally and galvanize that many people

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together if he was really afraid? Maybe he was in piety just saying, hey, I want the Lord

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to be with me. Or I want the prophet to be with me. Now, the prophet is Deborah being a woman

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maybe makes this a little bit interesting because he's wanting to bring a woman along with him.

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But yeah, this is an interesting contrast there. The first reading definitely could be true of,

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hey, Barak just loses his reward of glory. But the second one might also be, if you look at

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Hebrews 1132, I believe it is, it says that Barak is listed among the great heroes and men of faith.

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And that he was counted amongst one of them. And so it's very interesting that

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perhaps maybe a secondary reading or maybe they support each other together. And this is something

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where I'm not going to come out and say, yes, this is the only way to interpret it. But maybe

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there's some nuance here and it'll be good for us to discuss that in our groups together. And

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maybe you'll disagree and that's totally fine. But yeah, Barak is listed among the great men

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of faith. And so we see here also that, what is it, in verse

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nine, when Barak asked Deborah to go with her, Deborah says, I will surely go with you.

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Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory,

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for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And then Deborah arose

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and went with Barak to Kadesh. And so then you see that Barak calls out Zebulon Nefthali,

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and he's got 10,000 men behind him. And so that's a pretty serious army. Now, Sisera also has a

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serious army of 900 chariots of iron. And you could probably think of those as like tanks.

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So maybe 10,000 men versus like 900 tanks, maybe that's not really the best

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matchup. So maybe Barak was scared. Maybe he was like, this guy has a good army.

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I'm going to need the Lord. But notice, if he was just afraid, then

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making sure that the Lord's prophet of the day with him is a pretty good move, wouldn't you say?

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So like, maybe he is just actually afraid. And he's like, hey, I can't do this in my own

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strength. I need the Lord to come with me. And the Lord was speaking powerfully through

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Deborah at that time. And so maybe the Lord would give him some revelation during the battle.

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And so we have this interesting phrase here where Deborah says,

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Barak, this is not going to lead to your glory. For the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand

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of a woman. And here's, here's an interesting fork in the road. So this lady, JL, or jail,

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JL, I don't know actually how to say her name. But she's the one who drives the steak

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through the head of Sisera. And it's interesting. Do you guys think that Deborah,

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I mean, just you could raise your hand if you agree, who thinks that

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when Deborah says the glory is not going to be for Barak, the military commander,

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which it normally would be, but it'll be for somebody else. Do you think Deborah was

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talking about the glory is going to be for Deborah or the glory is going to be for JL?

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Let me see where I'm going with that. Mostly Deborah. Yeah. At first reading, my knee jerk was

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that JL would be the one that gets the glory. Now, actually, I'll be completely honest. And I

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think probably a lot of people, I won't put this on other people. But as I looked at this story,

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I know this story vaguely from Sunday school and from reading the Bible,

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through a couple of times. But in my mind, it wasn't clear that Deborah wasn't the one that put

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the steak through the head. Does it make sense? I was thinking Deborah is the one that kills

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the king of Sisera. And then as I've read it through again, I was like, okay, right.

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That's not right. It was another lady. But if you asked people who are in church who read their

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Bible, who do you think would be able to come up with this name, JL, that she was the one in

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the story of Deborah and Brock that drove the spike through the opposing enemy's head.

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Probably not that many people would be able to say that, oh, yeah, it was JL wasn't Deborah.

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But that's just an interesting, interesting point. Now, she is JL is mentioned in chapter

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five, verse 24, as most blessed amongst women, which is a very high commendation. You can see that

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in verse 24, most blessed of women be JL, the wife of Hebrew, the Kenite,

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the 10 dwelling women of 10 dwelling women most blessed. But Deborah is the one who's really

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center stage here. And even throughout all of Judaism, there are only seven

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prophetesses in Judaism, major prophetesses. Now, I want to see if collectively you guys can

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name them all. And I just you can just start shouting them out. But who do you think are the

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other six? Yeah, Deborah, who do you so there's seven, who do you think are the other six major

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prophetesses within Israel? And I will be, I'll be very impressed if we get them all.

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Holda, Miriam, Anna. Well, okay, so it's got to be Old Testament Abigail.

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Okay, so we have we have holda, Miriam, Abigail, Deborah, and then

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Esther. Not Ruth. So Debbie kind of said one. And I said yes, because

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Anna is the Old Testament or Anna is the Greek name for Hannah, actually. So but Hannah was one,

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the mother of Samuel. And there's one more. I can't believe that you got hold up because that

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was the one I had never seen before. So that great job Bible trivia. Anyone think of the other one?

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Any last guesses? Yeah, Sarah. So the seven prophetesses within Judaism are Sarah, Miriam,

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Deborah, Hannah, Abigail, holda, and Esther. And holda is the one I didn't know,

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but she was a prophetess during the reign of, do you know, which prophet, which king she was

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a prophetess under? I'm asking Dina because she's the one you're guessing.

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No, it's Josiah. Yeah, so anyway, but yeah, so Deborah has a, Deborah has a center stage place

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within Judaism and within Christianity. Whenever you think of a woman leader in the Bible,

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the first name that comes to mind is Deborah, right? She was probably the most explicitly powerful

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woman within the whole Bible. And women have held different positions of power and offices

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in the Bible and even in the New Testament in a lesser degree, but Deborah is the one who's

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really front end center. So, I mean, I would think that the glory would, that Deborah's talking about

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is actually, she's talking about her own glory because she's the one that actually has even more

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glory than Barak, who Barak is even named in like the Hall of Fame of Faith in Hebrews chapter 11.

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So that's just an interesting, interesting thing because I think at first reading,

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I think, oh, the glory is for the one who killed Sisera, which her name was JL, but I actually

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think that that Barak, for whatever reason, he was timid or it was just the Lord's sovereign

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plan that he wouldn't get the glory, that Deborah would get the glory. And so, so yeah,

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one other, one other point here on JL, we will talk about her.

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Let's see, what is that? Okay, verse 11. Now, Hebrew, the Kenite, had separated from

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the Kenites the descendants of Hobab, the father-in-law of Moses, and had pitched his tent as far away

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as the oak in Zananim, which is near Kadesh. So, JL was a Kenite. So, who were the Kenites?

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The Kenites were descendants of Hobab, the father-in-law of Moses. So, this tribe,

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the Kenite tribe, was connected with Moses's family, was connected with, uh, Jethro is the

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kind of the name I think most people know of as Moses's father-in-law, but another name

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that he goes by is Hobab, and Hobab means beloved or cherished. So, not sure how he got this name,

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maybe it was like a, it was a nickname or a name that he got in honor of his position later on,

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but it speaks to the fact that he was loved and beloved of the Lord. And so,

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when Moses fled to Egypt, he settled in Midian, and he married Zipporah, the daughter of the

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Midianite priest, Jethro, or Hobab. And then Jethro himself, in Exodus 18, he blesses the Lord,

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and he said, blessed be the Lord who has delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians.

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And then even in 1 Samuel 15, Saul is about to attack the Amalekites, but he warns the Kenites,

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and he tells the Kenites to depart from the Amalekites before he, they go and attack the

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Amalekites, because it says, you showed kindness to all the people of Israel when they came out of

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Acts 15. And then Judges 1 verse 16 says that some of the descendants of the Kenites actually

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went up with the people of Judah. And so, some of the Kenites are actually attaching themselves

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to the people of Israel. And then probably JL's relationship is somehow connected,

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and her executing the king of the king, or king Sisera, is somehow connected to this relationship

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between the Kenites and the Israelites. Now, what's the point? This is a personal

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thing, so I'm dragging you along on my personal journey here a little bit. But I have been

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focused and pondering a lot the relationship of Old Testament

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peoples into how they participate in the story of God in terms of salvation. And I've had this

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conversation with several of you, and Pastor Chris gave me a book on it last week, actually.

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But what was the mission of Israel in regards to, let's say, we use a New Testament term, evangelism,

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or outreach within the Old Testament? And when you begin to ask this question, you begin to see

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little crumbs that you may not have seen before. Like we talked a couple months ago about

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Caleb, who was a Kenizzite, who the Kenizzites were actually a tribe within Canaan, and the

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Kenizzites, in order to be a Kenizzite and also be an Israelite, you would have had to

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join yourself to the Israelites who were the covenant people of God. So you have a tribe,

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the Kenizzites, who were not believing in Yahweh, and now you have Caleb, who either he joined it

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himself or his whole family joined Israel, and now they're beginning to worship the one true God.

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And so as I'm reading this about the Kenizzites and about Jethro and about Jael and about her

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service to the God of Israel by serving the Lord's military commander, it just got me thinking

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about how perhaps these Old Testament people were also believers and followers of Yahweh,

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and how we may meet them in the age to come, or when, you know, in eternity.

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And there's not really like a huge take-home from that. It's more of just,

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I'm kind of letting you guys into my thought process and framework about what was God doing

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with drawing people to himself even in the Old Testament. And that wasn't, it's not front and

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center staged like it is in the New Testament where we see Jesus' command literally to go

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and to preach the gospel to all nations and to make disciples and baptize them.

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But what we see is that in the Old Testament people are joining themselves to Israel,

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and Israel is called the light of the nations in the Psalms and in the Old Testament.

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And yeah, so there are like three main views that evangelicals have about what happened

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to people who weren't Israelites back in the day. Like let's say if you were not a convert to the

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community of Israel and the covenant of Israel and therefore you were participating

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in covenant relationship with God, what happened to people who weren't Israelites?

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And so there's just a couple major views, and I'll just lay them out, but I just find this

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interesting. But there's the exclusivist view. Salvation ultimately requires explicit faith in

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God's revealed promises of redemption, although the amount of revelation required varies according to

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the era. So like, you know, Paul talks about Abraham, how he was justified through his belief

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and through his trust in God. And then as there was more prophetic revelation about the Messiah

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and about the age to come, then continued belief in accepting those ideas would have been

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added to the requirement to believe in those promises. So that's what it means. The amount

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of revelation required varies according to the era. So that's the exclusivist view that you

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have to explicitly believe in the revealed promise of the redemption. And then the

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inclusivist view is someone who genuinely responds to the revelation of God available to them

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may be saved through Christ even without knowing his name. So the exclusivist would say like,

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somebody like JL would actually have to probably go and join themselves to the promise of Israel

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and to the covenant of Israel. The inclusivist view would say that if they have heard sort of

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gospel from the Israelites, that they could actually still participate in salvation and

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have an inheritance in the age to come or basically be saved if we use New Testament language

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in the sense of that our soul and body will be saved and regenerated.

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So it was like kind of like exclusivist is like the highest level and then inclusivist. And then

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some people say, which, you know, I would probably say this was one that should be treated with

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maybe a little more caution, but passages, some people believe that passages like Romans 1 that

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speak about knowing God through creation and knowing him through general revelation would be

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enough to save some Gentiles who would respond appropriately to revelation available through

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creation and conscience. I think, yeah, it's just interesting to think about. And it's something

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I think that people often question like, oh, what about, you know, God just elected this little

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tribe and they're kind of wandering around and doing their thing in the desert. But what we

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actually see is that the Lord is drawing people to himself and the Lord, they're constantly

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people being added to the covenant of the Lord. They're being either they're like,

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they're like JL where they're kind of loosely connected through the tribe of Midian, but

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they're not actually Israelites, but Israel seems to have this kind of familial relationship

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with them. And so maybe she has enough faith or she's responding in obedience to the Lord in

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order to be saved. But I think it's, yeah, and I just share this because one, I think

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that it's interesting. I don't have like a clear conclusion or nice like neat tied up doctrine

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to present to you guys, but it kind of opens up this window of like, of wonder and of mystery

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into the story of God. And I think that for me, I find that fascinating and exciting as like what,

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what was the Lord doing in throughout history? And it motivates me to go to the scripture and

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to look in there and to search, search out more clues about, Hey, who else is being joined to

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the Lord? What are these people doing? How are these people involved? Like, I, you know, you

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can read the Bible and just blow past like, you know, stuff like JL was a Kenite, right?

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And you don't even know who that is. But if you go in and you look, you can see

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the threads actually lead somewhere. So anyhow,

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one last thing to wrap this up. And then we have some questions.

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The land had rest, chapter five, verse 31.

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I think this is just such a, such an amazing way to tie up this, this section, because at the end,

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at the end of the battle, at the end of the struggle, at the end of our lives,

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at the end of the world, the world is going to have rest. We're going to have rest.

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We are going to enter into the rest of God. Hebrews four talks about entering into his rest

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and entering into the promised land. And I, I think this is, this is so amazing

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because it really just wraps up the whole story really well. And

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it's saying that, yeah, there is struggle in life. We have to battle sometimes with our faith. We

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have to battle physically sometimes. There's war. Thank God we haven't had a serious

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all out conflict in a long time. But it wasn't that long ago that we, we did have a serious conflict.

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And this is just a reminder. And this speaks of eternity, that the land will have rest and our

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souls will have rest and we will spend eternity with the Lord if we are in Christ and if we,

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if we are in covenant with him. And I think this is, this is just an amazing,

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yeah, this is just an amazing truth to take home. And, and yeah, I was, I was struck by that

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as I was reading it. So anyhow, I hope, I hope that tonight you leave with more questions than answers.

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And I think that the questions, questions are good. Questions produce, if you respond

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rightly, they produce a desire to want to answer them and to want to discriminate amongst ideas

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in the scripture to a greater degree. And anytime you are moving towards the Lord with

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the scripture and studying it and able to, you know, even if it doesn't really make sense as to,

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well, I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to use this. The Lord is working and the seeds of the

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word are going in. So, so yeah, let's pray. And then we will do some questions. So Lord,

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we thank you for this time. And Lord, we ask that you would continue to give us greater revelation

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and just move, move in our hearts. And Lord, we say that we love you. Lord, we want to,

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we want to just, yeah, live our lives that might reflect your glory. Just help us to be strong

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and courageous Lord and to fulfill what you're calling us to do. Jesus' name. Amen.

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